In earlier postings, I've tried to understand how God wants us to use the gift of sexuality. I recognize that my particular position is conservative in some respects, and liberal in others, and probably doesn't suit anyone but myself. So it goes.
In this posting, I want to understand how we as Church deal with individuals who fail to use sexually according to God's wishes.
Promiscuity
This one is relatively easy, from a theoretical point of view:
1 Corinthians 5:9-13 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral persons—not at all meaning the immoral of this world, or the greedy and robbers, or idolaters, since you would then need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother or sister who is sexually immoral or greedy, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or robber. Do not even eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging those outside? Is it not those who are inside that you are to judge? God will judge those outside. “Drive out the wicked person from among you.”
There are, of course, practical problems. Although some fornicators (i.e., braggarts) self-report, this can't be relied on. Suspicions may form an adequate basis for proposing counseling, but they're inadequate to initiate church discipline. In particular, the biblical standard (cf., Num 35:30, Matt 18:16, 2 Cor 13:1) requires two or more witnesses, and as fornication is generally done in private with an equally guilty partner, any witnesses would be implicating themselves as well.
Thus, congregations who take this seriously have generally limited themselves to hounding out couples who are publicly “living together” without the benefit of marriage (or engagement, depending on interpretation). But this seems to misdirected. Couples who are living together are (it is to be hoped, at least) in the midst of forming a pair-bond/union. And this isn't what we ordinarily mean by a fornicator, which would be someone who has sexual relations outside of a relationship that could reasonably be expected to mature into long-term pair-bond/union, e.g., someone who has multiple partners within a relatively short period of time.
The imperative to forgive makes dealing with sinners in the church problematic, fornicators included. We want to believe that repentance is possible; we want to be receptive to God acting in the sinner to heal and reform them. When asked how often we should forgive, Jesus once said seventy-seven times. Undoubtedly there are fornicators who would exceed even this limit, but I don't believe that Jesus's intent was for us to keep score. It seems that about the best we can do is to throw notorious fornicators out, let a reasonable time (e.g.., a year, which is roughly equal to 1/77ths of a normal human lifespan) pass for reflection, and then let them petition for re-entry by providing evidence of repentance.
Divorce
It would seem the divorce is much like promiscuity in terms of church discipline, but it actually seems quite different. In my confession (ELCA) divorce/remarriage is discouraged, but not necessarily viewed as a disciplinary matter, although I suspect a pattern of divorce and remarriage would be. I suppose that the theory here is that the church should be present for all, and what matters is that people are making a good-faith effort in the relationships that they're in. A curious reality of confessions that do not excommunicate for divorce is that rarely do you see both members of a divorced couple remain in the same congregation. Almost invariably, one stays, and one goes.
In other confessions, e.g., the Catholic Church, the remarriage is illicit and grounds for automatic excommunication, and the only paths back into the church are annulment of the original marriage, or re-establishment of the original, broken marriage. To an outsider, the practice of annulment feels like selective justice—a remedy whose availability may depend as much on who you know, or how much you're willing to contribute, rather than any objective analysis of the original "marriage." It is important not to prejudge the Catholic Church for how it handles this situation, but I think also useful to be honest about how that process is sometimes perceived, even by people whose predilection is to give the Catholic Church every benefit of doubt.
Here again, I could imagine a church that handled divorce along the lines that I suggested for simple promiscuity: an appropriate period of separation for reflection and amendment, and then an opportunity to rejoin under the status quo. I am not aware of any church that handles the issue this way.
Clergy Sexual Misconduct
This is a difficult issue, which is often associated in the public mind with the Roman Catholic Church. This is grossly unfair, as every church has had to deal with this problem.
The way various church bodies have chosen to react depends a lot on the framing of the problem. I've heard of two extraordinarily different framings. I know that there are others.
Abuse of Power This framing holds that clergy sexual misconduct occurs through an abuse of power by the clergy member, who holds the office of the keys in some confessions, and is the personal representative of God in others. The model come-on line in such cases is "God wants us to be together," through which a clergy member leverages their spiritual role into an intimate role.
Enticement This framing holds that clergy become involved in sexual relationships because someone whom they are counseling exploits the clergy member's empathy.
I suppose we are all constrained by our experiences. I ended up on my local synod's advisory committee for women, and as such, was sent as a synodical representative to the original VOCAL conference (Victims of Clergy Abuse Link-up) in '92. While there, I heard a number of presentations by individuals who had been involved sexually with clergy, and felt abused by it. Surprisingly often, two such victims would discover with shock that they'd had the same clergy "partner." These stories had an authenticity, and as such a tremendous impact on all who heard them. I also heard Marie Fortune give a very powerful talk on power relations and sexual misconduct. This made a powerful impression on me, because it provided a strong theoretical way to understand issues of faculty/student sexual relationships, and what felt instinctively wrong to me about them, too.
So, obviously enough, I came to favor the first framing, and still do. True consent is only possible in a context in which there is not a strong asymmetry of power within the relationship. Obviously, clergy hold power over their flock, just as professors hold power over their students. True consent is not possible in either case. This often puts me at odds with some of my colleagues (who would structure University policies so as to provide licit means for faculty/student relationships). Moreover, what I've read, reinforced with the "victim's reunions" I observed at VOCAL, made it clear to me that the recidivism rate among clergy who have abused their flock is quite high, and that it is extraordinarily difficult even for leaders of good will and discernment to reliably determine who has been "rehabilitated," and who has not.
It seems to me that we should, in a spirit of Christian forgiveness, provide an opportunity for clergy who have so transgressed to return to the church, but there is no reason any confession should accept the risks associated with their continuance in ministry. I recognize that this creates a particular problems for confessions (such as the Catholics) which interpret ordination as sacramental, but this is how it must be for the safety of all, and for the integrity with which the gospel is preached and the sacraments offered.
This sort of consideration, by the way, is a good part of the reason why I would never choose to be a part of any "independent" congregation. It seems to me that clergy discipline can only be maintained in the presence of a synodical structure. And it is a matter of concern to me that the bishops (and here I mean in the Lutheran Church, as well as other confessions) are often expected to be administrators more than pastoral leaders in their own right. For it is the bishop's primary function to be a pastor to the clergy who serve under them.
Peace
6 comments:
i often wonder what all the technical language is about all the hyped up control all the legal reactionism all the social/behaviioural force feeding of new ethical contraints in the realms of human interaction
it all sounds ridiculous and the xtn comms if they'd be honest can't do a damn thing about willful sexual behaviour...there's all these folks like you making all these rulings based on fears of abuse...and it seems to me there is precious little being done even in RC circles to admonish people about taking responsibility for their lives...no we foster the victim culture...you could be a victim,,,sounds like a new gameshow
i don't take any of it seriously
divorce is prolematic because it is both church and state
In RC terms we went through a period recently where annulments were granted quite easily...JP II toward the end of his pontificate put and end to that and now the justification for annulment is pretty severe and couples are informed about this before marriage
but there is some grey area
a spouse who has been abandoned does not seek an annulment gets remarried and the second husband dies can have the second marriage annuled rather quickly and he/she can return to full communion...there are other cases where the process favors the temporal needs of the soul in question...there is one line of thinking that states a person can after a failing in marriage without annulment confess their life in the sacrament of reconciliation and with good conscience return to communion without the annulment...i don't know how far that goes these days...but the thinking is out there..in fact if a couple is separated and there is no annulment and no remarriage there is nothing barring them from receiving the eucharist...the pursuit of legal divorce complicates matters considerably
i appreciate your acknowledgment of unfairness in the whole scheme of publicized abuse...it is my contention that a conspiracy was afoot in the days after 9/11..i'm no conspiracy theorist...but i checked into this one pretty deeply...john ashcroft set the wheels in motion...there was something very deliberate and sinister going on and it was anticatholic to the core...for most all the cases were in the process of being litigated...it amounted to a free press free for all in a social atmosphere of widespread panic...i am not exonerating anyone there was and is and always will be human sexual failure...but i have come to the conclusion that the efforts of social psychology and victims advocates and all the crap of assuring that we're safe is the heighth of american stupidity...it basically says that people are not capable of managing their own lives and social law has entered in to do what we should be expecting people to do
to me it is all hardcore puritanism rearing it's ugly little face...and it is all a rather egregious sin against the will of god
i have no problem with a priest who is duly repentant returning to the altar...and as for pastoral ministry with very young people i generally feel that women should be doing that anyway...and in high school there should be one or two years where the sexes are separated and given formation in the wisdom of men and women...it probably doesn't matter...the catholic priesthood is marked...there's not a one who's not suspected...almost every priest i talk to these days lives with the sense of being to some degree a social outcast a pariah...there's a huge selfconsciouness they all have to battle when they around children...how to be natural and relaxed???...psychology has phuqqed everything up
we've replavced common sense in sexual matters with psychobabble and instead we cultivate extended adolescence and wonder why there's so much sexual fallout
it is a mess
and i think the efforts of people to be so damned judicious and righteous are little more than lame comedy...that it's take so seriously is really quite humorous
the dark spirits of north america will not abate
it's all too strange to change
there are no sexual ethics
just people with not enough to do or think about
everyone's running around at 80 mph with guns and your'e talking about sexual ethics
women should be in the homes making homes raising the children to be good people in the homes
all our social ills have to do with the women abandoning the home
it's that simple
get rid of the pill
force the issue of sexual responsibility for women
get them out of the corporate mainstream
make home making a necessary social skill again
i blame the women
j
divorce is prolematic because it is both church and state
Right. So is marriage in the first place. Several states have already enacted gay marriage, and others will follow. I think it is important, and thus far it has been the case, that the state not use its coercive power to force anyone to act against their conscience in these matters, e.g., by requiring that congregations that chose to solemnize one kind of marriage must chose to solemnize other types. Indeed, traditionally congregations have been given great latitude in deciding which marriages will be performed under their aegis, and which won't, and that's as it should be.
i appreciate your acknowledgment of unfairness in the whole scheme of publicized abuse
The problem of clergy sexual misconduct is universal. But it is also true that the US Catholic church handled these issues very badly, and it has paid and continues to pay a stiff price through alienation between clergy and the Catholic laity. It is not unfair that the Catholic church is perceived as having a problem here, it is unfair (grossly unfair, as I said earlier) to think that this somehow a uniquely Catholic problem.
I think you need to take a deep breath, and consider this issue from the perspective of a Catholic parent, who learns that not only was their child sexually abused by a priest, but that this priest had previously sexually abused children at another parish, and that their bishop had "dealt" with that problem by simply moving them into your parish, and into authority over your child, without warning or meaningful oversight.
In an earlier posting, you expressed the sense that no one should be surprised that George Tiller was murdered. Let me express surprise, on the same grounds as you cited earlier, that no bishops were murdered.
This is not puritanism, nor some psychobabble that creates victims out of nothing. The Church teaches that children are a gift from God, and worthy of the joy and sacrifice that attend such a gift. Yet it treated those same children as if their welfare was of negligible value as measured against the perogatives of a repentent priest. It is no wonder that there is alienation!
I believe the Catholic church is dealing with this problem in more appropriate ways today, but the path to rebuilding trust isn't by treating the laity as if its interests are of no value as compared to the interest of an abusive, but repentant priest. The Catholic church has survived greater problems of its own making than this, it will survive this too.
Let me emphasis here that other confessions have handled this as badly or worse. "Old boys clubs" live in a lot of communities, and it is hard to discipline one of your own, especially when that discipline means removing them from what has been their life's sole purpose. Hard, but in these cases, inescapably necessary. Many that were handling this badly took the opportunity to learn vicariously from the Catholic humiliation, and adjusted their policies accordingly. Others will simply have to learn the hard way, too.
everyone's running around at 80 mph with guns and your'e talking about sexual ethics
I'm happy to talk about guns and speeding too :-).
i blame the women
For the sins of men?
no the church did not handle it badly
it was forced to look criminal with the outcry
bishops were using basically the same set of principles as families were using in cases of incest
the bishops were trying to be pastoral...and then the laws changed...they even did away with statutes of limitations in some states and the legal principle that was used was basically you are guilty until you are proven innocent ( i know of at least a halfdozen cases where men were accused nothing was ever established but they are barred from ministry for life based on the accusation)...and in fact there never was proof of innocence for some it was a black mark whether it was certain or not...this guy jeff anderson is on a mission to destroy the hierarchy of the church based on your kind of thinking...bishops and religious orders were being screened and investigated rather ferociously in the years leading up to the press scandal...there was no investment in secrecy there was the desire to be discrete for both victims and perps (!)...and judges were willing to go along with that until the force of the press and jeff anderson and a bunch of other lawyers took decency or lack thereof into their own hands...we still do not know the truth in many cases...john geoghan was a dupe...they haven't been able to verify the vast majority of accusations against him...he was killed...i suppose he had some trouble but i maintain he was still a pretty good priest...that seemed to quiet things down...they had to kill a priest...there were a couple others shot...bernard law was deposed basically by the boston globe...and mary daly...you can say it was handled badly but you have to admit that the rules changed
i have made the effort to imagine what a parent might go through in these cases...my balance of rationality goes to the fact that most sexual abuse happens in families...or extended...i find it amazing that in a socially sexaully permissive atmophere where tv and movies and music and books were all doing the free sex thing with abandon...in that atmophere all of a sudden it became atrocious that a priest had sexaully inklings...repressed and "perverted"...and this became the last taboo...everything else was being adapted to fit into a fair and good natured america with liberal attitudes about sex...but the priest thing with kids (and as a matter of fact the vast majority of cases had to do with teenagers...teenagers pretty well versed and encouraged by social norms to be curious and take some risks - i know i grew up in that atmosphere,,,i now look back in quiet horror about it all but it was there...and i still have friends who were (de)formed by all that and are basically lost souls..had i not made my way into religious life i don't know what might have happened...i've imagined myself in prison or in a mental ward...a very small percentage was actually pedophilia
there were people like madonna screaming that sex is innocent beautiful and doing it almost publically with tatooed basketball players and the kids were watching
now people are wide awake somehow we know that sex is very powerful and carries with it extremely serious consequences
i would prefer to share a meal with a selfacknowledged and repentant molester of youth before i would ever sit down with a "gay" couple or a lesbian
take a look at the time frame it was six months after 9/11...everyone knew there was a bogey man out there but nobody could see him...so who would it be...the priests they're the terrorists...that's what it came down to
here's my modern catholic social thesis -
the sisters left their convents en masse in the sixties seventies and into the eighties most of them quite angry and alienated they all read the new selfawareness literature coming out of psychobabble U and they knew the church had ruined them and they were angry and priests left too and they all bought into the know yourself know your sexual self stuff...in many parishes the schools that managed to stay open were held together by lay people and a few ill equiped priests who i think were caught between the attraction to the get to know your sex stuff and the demands of their work and their lonliness..and the drastically changing paradigm of social management...many of them were doing the work the nuns had done years earlier...i saw this up close more than once..guys trying to do their best in a whole new ballgame with a whole new social push and a church that basically looked irrelevant and was being forced to change...and young people mostly the adolescents were in on the experimentation themes as well...the judgement is still out on all this...it wasn't a better world that was promised...and i don't see any thing preferable to the church in 1920...the priests are less educated and the people are louder and pushier that's about all
so i say the catholic women dropped the ball...and then they got angry and armed themselves with feminism...and then they wanted revenge...and now they think like you and want to be priests and they're angry about that...and they are in fact using psychobabble as their basic rhetoric..."celibate men cannot be sexually mature" "bishops use their unfulfilled sexual desire to control people"...i think you have to study the pandoras box of all this how was it opened who opened it and what came out...these women arent' going to be happy until they have some control in every area of life...even then i dount it...they'll charge heaven and make jesus into a girl
yep it was the women they wanted out of service and into administration and political control they wanted out of the family and into the professional drivers seat they wanted the pill they wnated to be in sports they wanted to kick the men in the balls and run the show..they became viscious and ruthless and very impolite for the most part and they still are...they burned their bras and gave up on their children and they refuse to be held accountable...they refuse to critique themselves and they refuse to accept the reasonable critique of anyone else...the church went from an age of relative innocence to a highstrung adolesence complete with sex toys overnight...the priests just weren't hip enough to keep up with it all
i maintain there was no sexual abuse
it was all a hollywood script forced onto the public...it was fomented in protestant hatred of catholics and an ill got marriage with american humanism with a vengeance
however
we needed a crucifixion
we're happy it happened
it felt good to be kicked in this land
there was not and there never will be justice on this matter
the justice system and the press and the irrational do gooders will never apologise
the rules changed
the church got phuqqed
and we are now saying thankyou
that was great
was it good for you
the victims will one day have to say
we're sorry too
yep i'm blaming the women for everything in the last 40 years
for all the historical injustices for all the sex faout for all the permissiveness in society for a diishment of respect and for ruining the concept of home...but of course the men screwed everything up for the previous 3000 yrs so i guess we have to allow fo a little getting even
maybe we need to hand everything over to the queers
just to balance the books
sexual ethix
the girls are walking around almost naked
i think you should focus on the sexual confusion
and leave ethics to the philosophers
and
it is one thing to bungle the dynamics of irrational human behaviour and the law
it is quite another thing to murder more than 60,000 human beings
as long as women want the freedom to kill innocent human beings there can be no justice anywhere...all justice is compromised
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